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	<title>Comments on: Homosexual punishments unacceptable: United Nations</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew M. Potts</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10481</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M. Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s important to point out that rogue Centrelink employees revealing clients&#039; personal information to pursue private vendettas or out gay people out of malice would be breaching both the terms of their employment and Australia&#039;s privacy laws and would not only face the sack but would be opening themselves and their employer up to significant legal action and civil damages. The chances of such an incident actually happening are slim in the extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to point out that rogue Centrelink employees revealing clients&#8217; personal information to pursue private vendettas or out gay people out of malice would be breaching both the terms of their employment and Australia&#8217;s privacy laws and would not only face the sack but would be opening themselves and their employer up to significant legal action and civil damages. The chances of such an incident actually happening are slim in the extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10471</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the suicide rate amongst gay and lesiban teens is so high because they&#039;ve all got broken bones????

Get real Brendan.  People who have been bashed to within an inch of their life would still agree with me that the psychological component of homophobia is still far worse.  

that is why they are constantly looking over their shoulder and shuddering at the thought of having to confront groups of unknown people, for years after they have recovered from their injuries.

And Jason,

Since when has trust the public has in a government system never been abused???

The majority of Centrelink employees may not be malicious, but it only takes one to make a person&#039;s life hell.  That&#039;s why so many civil libertarians don&#039;t like lots of data on people being held by authorities in one place.

Because someone will ALWAYS abuse their authority.  Just because it&#039;s no you or me, doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t be speaking up about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the suicide rate amongst gay and lesiban teens is so high because they&#8217;ve all got broken bones????</p>
<p>Get real Brendan.  People who have been bashed to within an inch of their life would still agree with me that the psychological component of homophobia is still far worse.  </p>
<p>that is why they are constantly looking over their shoulder and shuddering at the thought of having to confront groups of unknown people, for years after they have recovered from their injuries.</p>
<p>And Jason,</p>
<p>Since when has trust the public has in a government system never been abused???</p>
<p>The majority of Centrelink employees may not be malicious, but it only takes one to make a person&#8217;s life hell.  That&#8217;s why so many civil libertarians don&#8217;t like lots of data on people being held by authorities in one place.</p>
<p>Because someone will ALWAYS abuse their authority.  Just because it&#8217;s no you or me, doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t be speaking up about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan of Wollongong NSW</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10431</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan of Wollongong NSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The worst thing about homophobia isn&#039;t bashings but social isolation and ostracism&quot;, John?

I wonder how many people who have been bashed within an inch of their life would agree with you.

Stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The worst thing about homophobia isn&#8217;t bashings but social isolation and ostracism&#8221;, John?</p>
<p>I wonder how many people who have been bashed within an inch of their life would agree with you.</p>
<p>Stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10400</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - Dont be offended but I think your slightly overacting, your thinking of the worst what could happen which would probably never happen. Im in no place to judge you but be proud of who you are !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; Dont be offended but I think your slightly overacting, your thinking of the worst what could happen which would probably never happen. Im in no place to judge you but be proud of who you are !!!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10396</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need to have a pillow pressed to your face to be a victim of homophobia.

The worst thing about homophobia, isn&#039;t bashings, but social isolation and ostracism.

The pyschological effects have a much higher toll.  Broken bones heal, but being spat at, humiliated and having your life turned into hell by your neighbours is alot more difficult to recover from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to have a pillow pressed to your face to be a victim of homophobia.</p>
<p>The worst thing about homophobia, isn&#8217;t bashings, but social isolation and ostracism.</p>
<p>The pyschological effects have a much higher toll.  Broken bones heal, but being spat at, humiliated and having your life turned into hell by your neighbours is alot more difficult to recover from.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10362</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you worry Centrelink employees will be &quot;looking up the details of their elderly Uncle they are looking to get a huge inheritance from&quot; and then &quot;ostracize you because they feel cheated from a sure thing [the inheritance]&quot;.

Maybe the greedy relative in Centrelink will be less inclined to press a pillow against old Uncle Wally&#039;s face if they discover it ain&#039;t gonna fast track any inheritance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you worry Centrelink employees will be &#8220;looking up the details of their elderly Uncle they are looking to get a huge inheritance from&#8221; and then &#8220;ostracize you because they feel cheated from a sure thing [the inheritance]&#8220;.</p>
<p>Maybe the greedy relative in Centrelink will be less inclined to press a pillow against old Uncle Wally&#8217;s face if they discover it ain&#8217;t gonna fast track any inheritance.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10356</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Do you really think that the data is secure?  I&#039;ve known people who worked at Telstra who looked up my details.  Plenty of cops have been busted looking up car registration details of celebrities.  

What&#039;s to stop a Centrelink employee looking up the details of their elderly uncle (who they are looking to get a huge inheritance from) - or their neighbour that they think complains about their noisy disruptive bogan kids too much?

The problem with the law is that it is only a band aid solution that can&#039;t undo the damage that has been done to a victim once someone breaks the rules.

Homophobia is still very real - despite the government making these half hearted changes - and can have devastating effects on people, particularly elderly people who are already vulnerable.

It&#039;ll be little consolation that the employee was &quot;disciplined&quot; when your neighbours give you grief over being gay, or your family ostracizes you or your partner because they feel cheated from a sure thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Do you really think that the data is secure?  I&#8217;ve known people who worked at Telstra who looked up my details.  Plenty of cops have been busted looking up car registration details of celebrities.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s to stop a Centrelink employee looking up the details of their elderly uncle (who they are looking to get a huge inheritance from) &#8211; or their neighbour that they think complains about their noisy disruptive bogan kids too much?</p>
<p>The problem with the law is that it is only a band aid solution that can&#8217;t undo the damage that has been done to a victim once someone breaks the rules.</p>
<p>Homophobia is still very real &#8211; despite the government making these half hearted changes &#8211; and can have devastating effects on people, particularly elderly people who are already vulnerable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be little consolation that the employee was &#8220;disciplined&#8221; when your neighbours give you grief over being gay, or your family ostracizes you or your partner because they feel cheated from a sure thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo - In regards to elderly gay pensioners being forced out, the only person they need to out themselves to is some stranger in a call centre who probably takes hundreds of calls a day, You can declare your relationship over the telephone or if there&#039;s paperwork that needs signing centerlink can send that out and you can mail it back, so its not like you actually have to go in to centrelink as a couple - but you can if you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo &#8211; In regards to elderly gay pensioners being forced out, the only person they need to out themselves to is some stranger in a call centre who probably takes hundreds of calls a day, You can declare your relationship over the telephone or if there&#8217;s paperwork that needs signing centerlink can send that out and you can mail it back, so its not like you actually have to go in to centrelink as a couple &#8211; but you can if you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10320</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its about time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its about time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10286</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise this was focussed on criminal laws, but one wonders what the UN and UN focussed organisations would make of the forced outing of elderly gay pensioners at threat of prosecution.
One also wonders what they would make of the definition of same sex couple in the new Act being scrapped where Centrelink and DSS is concerned - have your own definition DSS that&#039;s fine says the govt.
Abuse of human rights.
Happy New Year......with grandfathering arrangements, I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise this was focussed on criminal laws, but one wonders what the UN and UN focussed organisations would make of the forced outing of elderly gay pensioners at threat of prosecution.<br />
One also wonders what they would make of the definition of same sex couple in the new Act being scrapped where Centrelink and DSS is concerned &#8211; have your own definition DSS that&#8217;s fine says the govt.<br />
Abuse of human rights.<br />
Happy New Year&#8230;&#8230;with grandfathering arrangements, I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2008/12/31/homosexual-punishments-unacceptable-united-nations/3541/comment-page-1#comment-10283</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder why I am an activist! All 86 countries that treat LGBT people like that, should be punished and have all trade deals with them boycotted and halted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder why I am an activist! All 86 countries that treat LGBT people like that, should be punished and have all trade deals with them boycotted and halted!</p>
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