Aldrin, For the law to come into force then the senate is going to have to vote on the bill and even though it wont pass, the fact the senate is voting on bill is ground breaking and its likely to gain media attention which is good in my opinion. Also I don’t give a toss about the catholic church, fuck them. I also find it an insult to consider same-sex couples a third sex. I was born gay and good luck on trying to convince me I was born straight, its going to happen.

What makes you think the doctrines that you were taught are correct?

My understanding of Christianity is that all of the doctrines of Christianity are taken directly from the doctrines of the Jewish Faith.

The doctrines of the Jewish Faith are based on revelations from an unseen god. Christians follow that tradition.

Why do Christians hate homosexuals and homosexuality?

Because 6000 years ago a Jewish Prophet received a revelation from an unseen god who told him that homosexuality and homosexuals were bad.

Aldrin – your belief system is based on false information inspired by prejudice.

For 6000 years the Jewish people have persecuted homosexuals because a homophobic Rabbi inserted his own prejudices into Jewish Scripture.

For 2000 years Christians have persecuted homosexuals because they chose to adopt the Jewish Faith as their main religion, and Jesus, a Jewish Rabbi followed the ancient tradition of accepting and promoting homophobic beliefs.

Aldrin – your reasons for hating homosexuals and homosexuality are based on the prejudices of a man who died thousands of years ago.

Get a life of your own Aldrin

The cynical immediate purpose of the 2004 marriage ban law was to immediatley extinguish several court cases that were IN PROGRESS in Australia to actually recognise same sex marriages of Australians performed overseas.
The day the August 13th 2004 marriage ban law was rushed through, those court cases were immediately invalid & remain so until Labor grows some b…s to have it repealed.

-¢ a religious organisation, association, or society, or any individual or any non-profit institution or organisation operated, supervised or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organisation

-¢ shall not be required to provide services -“ (medical services, legal services, educational services, emergency services, counter services -“ (I wont serve you because you are a homosexual and it is against my religious beliefs to promote homosexuality)

-¢ if such request for such services, facilities or privileges to an individual

-¢ is related to

-¢ the promotion of marriage, and

-¢ such promotion of marriage is in violation of their religious beliefs and faith.

Any refusal to provide services facilities or privileges in accordance with this section -“ (I won’t provide you with any services because you are a homosexual and it is against my religious beliefs to promote homosexuality)

-¢ shall not create any civil claim or cause of action

-¢ or result in any state action to penalise or withhold benefits from such religious organisation, association or society, or any individual

(the policy seeks to restrict the Crown from enforcing anti-discrimination laws -“ -œnotwithstanding any other provision of the law -“ of course)

-¢ or any non-profit institution or organisation operated, supervised or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organisation, association or society.

This policy might bear consideration except for one thing;

-¢ All the religious organisations and the organisations associated with them receive government subsidy and tax concessions

-¢ Paid for by the Australian taxpayers

-¢Some of whom are homosexuals and gays

II. The marriage laws of the Commonwealth of Australia shall not be construed to affect the ability of a fraternal benefit society to determine the admission of members pursuant to, and shall not require a fraternal benefit society that has been established and is operating for charitable and educational purposes and which is operated, supervised or controlled by or in connection with a religious organisation to provide insurance benefits to any person if to do so would violate the fraternal benefit society’s free exercise of religion as guaranteed by the Constitution of Australia.

-¢ The admission of members -“ no gays or homosexuals please, we are a fraternity and we believe in the brotherhood of all men and women

-¢ shall not require a fraternal benefit society to provide insurance benefits to any person if to do so would violate the fraternal benefit society’s free exercise of religion as guaranteed by the Constitution of Australia

(providing insurance benefits to homosexuals and gays would violate our free exercise of religion)

-¢ The policy might bear consideration if the Fraternal Benefit Society and the religious organisation to which it is connected did not solicit and receive government subsidies and tax concessions

-¢ Paid for by the Australian taxpayers, some of whom are homosexuals and gays

Many people who read the articles on this website criticise the comments made by -œJames.

I criticise the policy written by Paul Mitchell. My analysis is that the policy seeks to grant immunity from the Anti-Discrimination Act to religious organisations that want to discriminate against people because of their gender.

1. Unregistered cohabitation (the system we have now since 1 July 2009)

2. Domestic partnership (only current in VIC, ACT and TAS)

NSW and QLD are considering implementing these soon. SA, NT and WA have “conservative Governments” and of course as usual support NOTHING!

3. Full civil (not religious) marriage for both opposite sex and same sex couples over 18.

When same-sex marriage is ever legalized in Australia this “provision” should be included:

“I. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a religious organization, association, or society, or any individual who is managed, directed, or supervised by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society, or any nonprofit institution or organization operated, supervised or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society, shall not be required to provide services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods or privileges to an individual if such request for such services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods or privileges is related to the solemnization of a marriage, the celebration of a marriage, or the promotion of marriage through religious counseling, programs, courses, retreats, or housing designated for married individuals, and such solemnization, celebration, or promotion of marriage is in violation of their religious beliefs and faith. Any refusal to provide services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods or privileges in accordance with this section shall not create any civil claim or cause of action or result in any state action to penalize or withhold benefits from such religious organization, association or society, or any individual who is managed, directed, or supervised by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society, or any nonprofit institution or organization operated, supervised or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society.

II. The marriage laws of the Commonwealth of Australia shall not be construed to affect the ability of a fraternal benefit society to determine the admission of members pursuant to, and shall not require a fraternal benefit society that has been established and is operating for charitable and educational purposes and which is operated, supervised or controlled by or in connection with a religious organization to provide insurance benefits to any person if to do so would violate the fraternal benefit society’s free exercise of religion as guaranteed by the Constitution of Australia.”

In the name of the father – MPs flock to Jesus

“The research shows that the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, has been the politician most likely to cite his Christianity in public speeches, followed by the former treasurer Peter Costello and the current Treasurer, Wayne Swan.”

http://www.smh.com.au/national/in-the-name-of-the-father–mps-flock-to-jesus-20090629-d2ih.html

but also, 2. We are part of the Commonwealth (not the Saudi monarchy), and as such it is downright obscene that we refuse to recognise both the civil partnerships performed in OUR MOTHER COUNTRY BRITIAN, and equal civil marriages performed in our sister-Commonwealth country Canada. When people from those two countries step off the plane, we invalidate & spit on thier marriage & spit on the laws of Britain.

Therefore, the rights of all “humans”, the laws of all countries, and the removal of ALL discrimination needs to be taken into account when making changes to Australia’s marriage laws; not just a change of laws that suits some people and not others.

Gays and homosexuals are people just like heterosexuals. We have the same strengths and weaknesses and are susceptible to all the dynamics, both good and bad, of interpersonal relationships.

Having said that I can tell you that many, if not most, homosexuals and gays suffer from severe psychological problems which I believe is the result of living in a homophobic society.

I remind you that my opinions are based on personal experience and not on scientific training and I advise people not to draw conclusions from my experiences but that we should all rely on the opinions of people who are trained psychologists.

James – We live in a democracy and the majority determine the social and legal standards. The people in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan have their social and legal standards and we have ours.

At the moment the gay community is trying hard to change the social and legal standards relating to same sex marriage.

Who knows what the Australian community will do in the future with regards to accepting as valid social and legal standards of other countries?

In the future Australians may recognise legal relationships formed in those other countries as being valid in Australia.

If the Greens are so interested in catering for foreign marriage laws, then they should put their money where their mouth is and cater for ALL foreign marriage laws or keep their mouths shut.

Kevin Rudd is out-of-touch with his “view” on marriage as between the opposite-sex – the Australian community have moved on since 60 percent SUPPORT marriage (Galaxy Poll June 2009) We are still waiting for TRUE equality Mr Kevin Rudd!!!! What an old-fashioned fool and an embarrassment Kevin Rudd really is.

I want to legally marry my partner of 26 years, Travis.