Comments on: Polygamy claim ‘not relevant’ http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288 Australia's leading gay and lesbian news source Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:02:20 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rob http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-18196 Rob Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:06:20 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-18196 Interesting language Milly! Quoting you, in your use of "they and their" in your second sentence, it is assumed you mean the gay and lesbian community? I understand from the tone of your comments that you feel very threatened by the potential change in the definition of marriage, its a shame that you feel that way. Milly, surely by definition those that represent the minority [i.e. using your terms "they and theirs" (or the gay and lesbian community)] should be extended the same curtiousy and protection that families are extended.... Interesting language Milly!

Quoting you, in your use of “they and their” in your second sentence, it is assumed you mean the gay and lesbian community? I understand from the tone of your comments that you feel very threatened by the potential change in the definition of marriage, its a shame that you feel that way. Milly, surely by definition those that represent the minority [i.e. using your terms "they and theirs" (or the gay and lesbian community)] should be extended the same curtiousy and protection that families are extended….

]]> By: Milly http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-18148 Milly Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:39:15 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-18148 Marriage is an ancient god-given institution based on the bonding of a man and women. This social experiment of same-sex marriage will fail, and if they have their legal unions it should not be called "marriage". Why change definitions or an institution as old as the human race? It is not about excluding rights, but protecting the definition of marriage as the core of families and society. Where will it end? Polygamy is the next "diversity" of marriage, and all sorts of combinations. Families need protection, and marriage should stay as it is! Marriage is an ancient god-given institution based on the bonding of a man and women. This social experiment of same-sex marriage will fail, and if they have their legal unions it should not be called “marriage”. Why change definitions or an institution as old as the human race? It is not about excluding rights, but protecting the definition of marriage as the core of families and society. Where will it end? Polygamy is the next “diversity” of marriage, and all sorts of combinations. Families need protection, and marriage should stay as it is!

]]> By: Martin Davies http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-18051 Martin Davies Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:20:44 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-18051 The braodest and most common definition of the word marriage as it appears in every dictionary is defined as : "The union of two parts". That's what the word means! It does not mean exclusively the union of a man, or a woman,but rather any two parts. Now some will say well that allows for a man and dog to get married. Yeah, if a dog had rights? But seriously though . . . the bigger issue is one of rights; and sadly we don't have any rights (gay or straight). SO I ask you, which comes first, our human rights, or the right to marry a member o the same sex?. I'd argue that all human beings have the right to be treated equal before the law, and as for the right to marry a dog? I'd say, laws about marriage pertain to human beings not farm animals. Only a Catholic would dream up such a twisted idea! The braodest and most common definition of the word marriage as it appears in every dictionary is defined as : “The union of two parts”. That’s what the word means! It does not mean exclusively the union of a man, or a woman,but rather any two parts.
Now some will say well that allows for a man and dog to get married. Yeah, if a dog had rights?

But seriously though . . . the bigger issue is one of rights; and sadly we don’t have any rights (gay or straight). SO I ask you, which comes first, our human rights, or the right to marry a member o the same sex?.

I’d argue that all human beings have the right to be treated equal before the law, and as for the right to marry a dog? I’d say, laws about marriage pertain to human beings not farm animals. Only a Catholic would dream up such a twisted idea!

]]> By: Dave http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-18005 Dave Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:21:06 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-18005 Good one Brendan! Thanks for that it was very interesting! Also Chris is spot on! Cheers, Dave Good one Brendan! Thanks for that it was very interesting! Also Chris is spot on!

Cheers,

Dave

]]> By: Brendan of Wollongong NSW http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-18000 Brendan of Wollongong NSW Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:17:51 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-18000 The testimony by Baptist Reverend Nathan Nettleton in FAVOUR of same-sex marriage was truly inspirational. Rodney Croome reproduces it here: http://www.rodneycroome.id.au/other_more?id=3064_0_2_0_M18 ; or it can be found in Hansard: http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S12538.pdf The testimony by Baptist Reverend Nathan Nettleton in FAVOUR of same-sex marriage was truly inspirational. Rodney Croome reproduces it here: http://www.rodneycroome.id.au/other_more?id=3064_0_2_0_M18 ; or it can be found in Hansard: http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S12538.pdf

]]> By: Gay activist Paul Mitchell http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17997 Gay activist Paul Mitchell Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:30:10 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17997 I agree with Chris - were is the sorry from Mr. Rudd on all the gay men who were in the past thrown in jail for the “crime of buggery” or “gross indecency” as written in the law back in the past (as recent as 1997)?????????? Those dumb and stupid "sodomy laws" are still in practice in 80 countries across the world even today – so Mr. Rudd were is our apology????? I agree with Chris – were is the sorry from Mr. Rudd on all the gay men who were in the past thrown in jail for the “crime of buggery” or “gross indecency” as written in the law back in the past (as recent as 1997)?????????? Those dumb and stupid “sodomy laws” are still in practice in 80 countries across the world even today – so Mr. Rudd were is our apology?????

]]> By: Gay activist Paul Mitchell http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17996 Gay activist Paul Mitchell Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:24:05 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17996 The Marriage Equality Amendment Bill 2009 is very clear on monogamy: Omit - "a union between a man and a woman" Replace with - "any two (2) adult persons" "Monogamy" for those of you who do not know means (1) a pair of 2 humans together or a pair of 2 animals together; (2) having only one partner in a lifetime. "Serial monogamy" [means the same thing as above] but; (1) having more than 1 partner in a lifetime. The Marriage Equality Amendment Bill 2009 is very clear on monogamy:

Omit – “a union between a man and a woman”

Replace with – “any two (2) adult persons”

“Monogamy” for those of you who do not know means (1) a pair of 2 humans together or a pair of 2 animals together; (2) having only one partner in a lifetime.

“Serial monogamy” [means the same thing as above] but; (1) having more than 1 partner in a lifetime.

]]> By: Steve http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17987 Steve Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:50:37 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17987 NEWSFLASH PEOPLE - Albania has NOT legalised SSM yet!!!!! NEWSFLASH PEOPLE – Albania has NOT legalised SSM yet!!!!!

]]> By: peter http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17986 peter Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:48:39 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17986 We do not have equal rights.END OF STORY.The G+L politicians in the Labour and Liberal parties should be ashamed of themselves END OF STORY.Australia is backward and conservative END OF STORY So much for the biggest greatest Mardi Gras in the world.WHAT a joke !Its is so pathetic that G+L marriage laws have not been passed,like 10 years ago.What a DISGRACE to the world we are! We do not have equal rights.END OF STORY.The G+L politicians in the Labour and Liberal parties should be ashamed of themselves END OF STORY.Australia is backward and conservative END OF STORY So much for the biggest greatest Mardi Gras in the world.WHAT a joke !Its is so pathetic that G+L marriage laws have not been passed,like 10 years ago.What a DISGRACE to the world we are!

]]> By: Paul http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17985 Paul Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:03:10 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17985 The standard of politician we have on the conservative side of politics is abysmal. What Guy barnett aserts about the amendments legalising polygamy is either symptomatic of stupidity, or a tendancy to lie. The Australian Christian Lobby is the same. Neither has legal qualifications to comment. The Marriage Act makes it abundantly clear that polygamy is an offence, and entering into a marriage whan already married is null and void. But that's the tactic you get from the conservative side of politics - send in someone dumb and expendable to spread hate fuelled propaganda that is factually wrong, and distract from the reasoned arguments. They do it consistently. The standard of politician we have on the conservative side of politics is abysmal. What Guy barnett aserts about the amendments legalising polygamy is either symptomatic of stupidity, or a tendancy to lie. The Australian Christian Lobby is the same. Neither has legal qualifications to comment. The Marriage Act makes it abundantly clear that polygamy is an offence, and entering into a marriage whan already married is null and void. But that’s the tactic you get from the conservative side of politics – send in someone dumb and expendable to spread hate fuelled propaganda that is factually wrong, and distract from the reasoned arguments. They do it consistently.

]]> By: Chris http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17979 Chris Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:45:21 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17979 Andrew Bolt, a Herald-Sun journalist has been running around saying this where ever he can. It is a stupid idea with no factual base. The other people arguing against Gay Marriage are the Australian Catholic Church that has a shocking history of abusing people. Its leader is a former Hitler Youth who's group delighted in the murder and killing of people like us, and people who were Jewish or had a disability. He has said recently Catholics have to fight Climate Change and homosexuality. These people need to be held to account, along with our Happy Clapper Prime Minister who, apart from funding and supporting Christian Hate Groups, has stacked the Hearings with representatives of the Catholic Church, The Australian Christian Lobby, and other Hate groups. Kevin Rudd made sure hardly anyone from our community was allowed to say anything despite the massive majority of people who support and end to the discrimination against us, being well documented in the submissions. I call on our Prime Minister and Federal Labor to have a Sorry Day for all the suffering they have caused us. Andrew Bolt, a Herald-Sun journalist has been running around saying this where ever he can. It is a stupid idea with no factual base. The other people arguing against Gay Marriage are the Australian Catholic Church that has a shocking history of abusing people. Its leader is a former Hitler Youth who’s group delighted in the murder and killing of people like us, and people who were Jewish or had a disability. He has said recently Catholics have to fight Climate Change and homosexuality.

These people need to be held to account, along with our Happy Clapper Prime Minister who, apart from funding and supporting Christian Hate Groups, has stacked the Hearings with representatives of the Catholic Church, The Australian Christian Lobby, and other Hate groups. Kevin Rudd made sure hardly anyone from our community was allowed to say anything despite the massive majority of people who support and end to the discrimination against us, being well documented in the submissions.

I call on our Prime Minister and Federal Labor to have a Sorry Day for all the suffering they have caused us.

]]> By: Asi http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17975 Asi Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:53:41 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17975 Albania is not a country steeped deeply in religion, as there is more than one religion present in Albania. It is a secular country where religions are separated from the government. Albania is not a country steeped deeply in religion, as there is more than one religion present in Albania. It is a secular country where religions are separated from the government.

]]> By: peter http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/2009/11/17/polygamy-claim-%e2%80%98not-relevant%e2%80%99/18288/comment-page-1#comment-17970 peter Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:05:25 +0000 http://www.starobserver.com.au/?p=18288#comment-17970 We are now more backward here than Albania.Well what a suprise!What a DISGRACE Australia is! We are now more backward here than Albania.Well what a suprise!What a DISGRACE Australia is!

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