Speedos, drugs and misogyny “a huge problem” among gay men: Charmed star
SPEEDOS, drugs and misogyny is how one star of cult TV show Chamed, Rose McGowan, views the gay culture, according to a recent interview.
McGowan, who played Paige Matthews between 2001-2006 of the series’ run, also claimed that gay men were more misogynistic than straight men.
In an interview on the Bret Easton Ellis Podcast (audio below), McGowan — who at one point in her childhood lived with drag queens — said that gay misogyny “is a huge problem”.
She also expressed that the gay community was on the cusp of having all that they had set out to fight for, but won’t extend their hand to help others’ struggles, especially women.
“You want to talk about how nobody in the gay community, no gay male, standing up for women on any level?” she said.
“I see no help and I see no paying it forward.
“I have a huge problem with a community that understands what it’s like to be looked down on for existing… I see no extending the hand outside of the gay community.”
She added that women had “very much helped the gay community get to where they are today”.
“Look at Stonewall. Stonewall was fought on the backs of transvestites, drag queens and women,” she said.
McGowan went on to say that the gay community should help others who are fighting for human rights as their new movement rather than “people who have basically fought for the right to stand on top of a float wearing an orange speedo and take molly [MDMA]”.
Do you agree with Rose McGowan’s thoughts? Listen to the interview and comment below.
Clearly she’s hanging out with the vapid, commercial, celebrity trash crowd. The ordinary gay men I know on the streets are some of the kindest, most generous, helpful, least discriminatory people around.
love rose! this is spot on. awesome!
The truth always stings a bit….
Totally agree with her.
Rose isn’t arguing against the gay community. She’s making commentary on it. There’s a difference.
so many gross misogynistic comments here completing validating everything she said :))))
I think Rose’s erasure of the issues that gay men face (claiming we’ve fought purely to dance on top of floats or whatever) is pretty damn gross. Like, no, Rose. I’m not here shouting because I want to dance at a gay club and take MDMA. I’m more interested in, you know… acceptance. Equality. That fresh feeling when I don’t need to worry about being beaten and killed in the street in my own town.
Other than that, gay male misogyny towards women is a problem. Just like how female objectification of gay men, and a sense of entitlement of gay male sexuality is a problem. WHICH IS WORSE? Spoiler alert: They awwwl shit.
She’s right.
What the fuck is wrong with speedos!!!!
Has anyone seen Pride yet? Go see it. Solidarity is what she’s talking about! Opened my eyes and I’m gonna get more involved.
Yeah Muslims are just lining up to fight homophobia! (I do realise there are gay muslims, but they are fighting for their own minority not “other minorities.)
Rose has been a MASSIVE supporter of the gay community over the years, I’ll admit that I winced slightly when I read what she’d said in this interview but hey, she wasn’t wrong! She wasn’t being cruel or saying that she hated us (the homo’s) she’s just a bit pissed off at us.”
This is total generalisation! Sure, there ARE those gay men out there that slander women as a sport, but they don’t count for the majority of gay men. Don’t generalise gay men by saying we are only fighting to be on a Mardi Gras float, and I sure as won’t generalise by stating that all feminists hate men. Oh wait… I didn’t think that in the first place, but since we’re putting words in each others mouths…
Who care’s what she thinks? #solastdecade
I’ve often been described as an allie of the LBTI community but have never got how so many gay men are racists, always thought minority groups would have more empathy
And see how no one will talk about that nor will they admit that racism exist in the gay community…
So true. Reality is just because we are gay sadly doesn’t make us any less racist or misogynist than anyone else in the general population.
Racism is very common in the gay community.
Hey hey hey we don’t fight to dance floats. That is our pride! I understand the misogony and the drug taking but don’t attack us.
Misandry is pretty commonplace amongst the lesbians too.. just sayin’.. think this is really a much broader human equality issue than a ‘why you no pay it forward’ thing.
Gay men have been objectifying women for ages and use them being gay as a scape goat for acting so entitled to women.
Gimme a break. I’ve met plenty of girls who like objectifying gay men.
In fact, there is an entire culture of it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-157806/Does-woman-need-gay-best-friend.html
Misogyny is a thing. Misandry is not.
Your comment makes no sense. I’m speaking about the objectification of gay men not misandry.
Says Marilyn Manson’s Ex lol
Hey hey.. let’s not bring the anti christ into this now, he dosent condone stupid! :-p
Touché
Oi…..get yr assss o a plane to David Moreno Rarotonga…. rude bitch..hurry up!
Gay men have dehumanised, objectified me and sexually assaulted me all because they’re “not attracted” to me. It’s ironic that there are men on here silencing her. You’re the problem.
Typical victim mentality exhibited by a fag hag with a chip on her shoulder. Move along.
Alex you’re disgusting
Alex Haley you sound like you’re the one with a chip on their shoulder, fuck off mate
Aaaaaand Alex just sums the problem up in a few words.
Guysssss I feel like a victim now :(
Sydney Jones: If you encountered a man somewhere that you’re “not attracted” to, but he expects attention and sex from you anyway, that’s pushing the boundaries of rape. What you’re proposing is the exact same thing, just with the roles reversed. Don’t be a rapist. Find someone else, someone that has a mutual attraction to/from you instead.
Peter Cook that doesn’t make any sense at all.
Why are you so interested in spending time around gay men? You know they’re not attracted to you, right? You’re not going to get mutual affection from them, ever. Anything you do get from them will inevitably be a disappointment. Go chase after straight men (or gay women) instead. You’ll have more luck with them.
I don’t understand the nature of your comment but I think it’s fair to say their is an objectification of gay men among heterosexual women. In fact, I’d say there is a culture of it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-157806/Does-woman-need-gay-best-friend.html
Peter Cook because surprisingly, I can be friends with men without sleeping with them.
I objectify gay men daily. They are my best friends and fill my newsfeed with hilarity, fun dramas, and intelligent debate, not to mention endless photos of their gorgeous svelte bodies, which I enjoy immensely. They love me for my adoration of them and they love the attention. They adore me back and are incredibly loyal to me. They also squeeze my boobs without asking at pretty much any opportunity they can find, which doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I wouldn’t want my life any other way.
yeah because feeling like and object and not a human being is fun. It’s awesome when people just want to be friends with me because I’m funny and have drama and overreact, not because I’m a human being with dreams and emotions and thoughts. I love being put in a box.
Yeah, some gay men are misogynist, but lots of straight women have objectification towards gay men (and lesbians). It’s the pot calling the kettle black.
Stevie, my comment isn’t in regard to your personal relationships. Although I’m glad they are positive and playful. It was about acknowledging there is a culture that exists around objectifying gay men. As per my example.
Caleb, I agree with you. There is a culture that exists and I think it’s a healthy one :-) I was more responding to Peter Cook’s comment about fag hags.
Sydney Jones: You seem to care way too much about their opinion of you to just be friends with them. Is your self-worth so low that you really want to continue being friends with people who dehumanize you, objectify you, and allegedly sexually assault you?
You literally make no sense. You called me a rapist when I had been sexually assaulted? Wtf is wrong with you
You’re clearly attempting to pursue a relationship with people that aren’t interested in you. If any man tried that with any woman, that’d be sexual harassment/borderline rape. It’s the same for you, gender equality and all. Your past history of sexual assault is irrelevant to that part of the discussion.
Additionally, you make no sense trying to build or maintain friendships with people that supposedly objectify and dehumanize you. Either you’re pursuing more than friendship (overtly or otherwise) (see above – borderline rapist), or you’re really bad at identifying and leaving abusive relationships and friendships (most plausible option IMHO), or you’re embellishing (if not outright lying).
Peter you’re embarrassing everybody.
Seriously who the fuck do you think you are? Back the fuck off mate. You don’t know Sydney and your assumptions would be laughable if they weren’t so disgusting and oppressive.
Peter Cook I think your points are valid, a little flagrant but I hear what you’re saying. Sydney jones I find your comment generalised and offensive and purported to show gay men as nasty villains without once narrowing it down to the small few that may have done this to you, or are you suggesting all gay men do this to you? Have some decency yourself by not shading every gay man with your negative and broad statement which is now being perceived as abusing innocent folk who happen to be gay men. Sorry for your bad experiences. I
do hope you’ll share good ones to contrast the bad.
Who am I? I’m the one who is tired of fag hags playing pity party.
And for the record, someone can both be a rape victim and a rapist/sexual predator. One does not preclude the other.
Sydney – I think your comments are about context. If your comments are serious then your accusation is gay men have a habit of being criminally inappropriate to women. I don’t think that is the set of values people are arguing here. If not, and it’s commentary based on gay men touching you inappropriately in a club or at social events then I think you should rethink the language you’re using to describe this. In saying that, I feel deeply sorry for you as a result of being victimised.
However, Rose’s comments shouldn’t be characterised as AGAINST gay men. She is providing commentary on the gay community – which she is largely a part of.
If the responses here don’t prove that some gay men have serious issues with women then I don’t know what does. Problem is they are too blind to it to see their own actions.
Sydney Jones, you’re a complete moron. By definition gay men are attracted to other men, period.
Stuart Duel, why would I lie about this?
None of you people even know me and you’re gaslighting me and calling me a liar and a rapist
They do it to me too when i publicly out the gay men as nothing but majority of users and sex abusers daily and many many of them, i have stopped meeting guys all together because i have no trust in anyone atm. Only myself, love living without complications.
Have to agree with her.
A partial truth perhaps… While I abhor the lack of solidarity shown in ‘the movement’ across many issues including feminist activism; the activists, those who stood up, were always small in number, whether in gay lib, during law reform, or today. Casual misogyny is present across the gay male community; but to say that ‘no gay men stand up for women’s rights’, even when referring to the specific American examples, is clearly false and a poor generalisation… but perhaps her comments (though explicitly focused on America) can serve as a reminder for those gay men, particularly those who look to actors for moral guidance, that gay liberation should be in solidarity with women’s liberation…
One would think! Agreed!
Agree with Nick re partial. There is some within the gay community who rally around women and others in need. Rose is stereotyping somewhat. There is many within the gay community happily partnered, some with children, and some fighting very hard for rights for all.
And what about racial minorities? How active are gay White men in fighting against racism – cultural, institutional, covert racism?
Even in Rose’s comments about Stonewall – she didn’t mention that one of those transwomen was a Latina (Sylvia Rivera) — that’s one of the ways queer POC are erased in history.
She is 100% correct.
Hey Rose, put down the pipe and quit the ice girl… it’s messing with your silly head =D
#fuckoffrose
I agree with her
Ironic, considering half of her fan base are probably gay men.
“Look at Stonewall. Stonewall was fought on the backs of transvestites, drag queens and women”
And men. In fact I would wager that the “gay men” to “everyone else” ratio is quite high, seeing as the Stonewall Inn was, according to most sources, predominantly for gay men (“It was the only bar for GAY MEN in New York City where dancing was allowed” – Wikipedia, emphasis mine).
Also it’s probably worth mentioning that transvestites and drag queens are also men… Not to tread on any toes, mind you, however I was under the impression that transvestitism and genuine transgenderism are two completely different things. Perhaps she means “transgender” or “transsexual” instead, if she’s trying to paint women as the sole heroes of the Stonewall riots?
In any case, the thing about historical facts is that you don’t get to change them to suit your argument without looking like a fool. I’d almost call it a confirmation bias — “Oh, there were transvestites, drag queens and women, therefore the riot and the wheel it set in motion was entirely created by those groups, screw anybody else who was involved!”. It’s kind of hard to accept the accuracy of anything else she says after that line.
How about she fights her own battles, and not expect others to line up and fight for her? This isn’t some historical fiction, this is the 21st century. Straight women already have way more rights than gay men do, so why should we help them win more when we’re busy with our own priorities? Especially when those gay men that are in favour of more rights for hetero women just got tarred by her as if they’re completely invisible.
I kind of agree…
It’s called “feminism”.
I see her point, but it was out of bounds. It’s just not the same thing all in all.
I think the lesbians have this covered. I can’t imagine many males or straight women working rape crisis phone services for long (or at all in the case of males).
Besides, any attempt by any male to take over the cause of feminism will be immediately shouted down by feminists everywhere. Some may say they want our support, occasionally, but it’s an Admiral Ackbar. Many others will feel incensed that we said anything at all, if we did proceed to say anything on their behalf, as if they don’t have the faculties to speak for themselves.
Point. In. Case.
There are lots of things you can do to help women without speaking for them.. you know?
oh, she had to get her name in the press somehow
cos calling out gross misogyny is soo attention seeking, hehe
it worked didn’t it lol
James,
I don’t doubt she believes what she said but I also believe she understood the reaction it would have.
You can’t openly denounce any part of gay culture in the U.S. without the liberal news media ostracising your opinion.
I’m not arguing against it. But I think it’s fair to call it – the leftist news establishment in the U.S – aggressive.