Marriage equality ‘will lead to incest’
A conservative commentator who is also the Secretary of the Family Council of Victoria has claimed marriage equality would lead to campaigns for the legalisation of group marriage, incest, paedophilia and bestiality.
In an article on the CultureWatch website, In praise of incest, Bill Muehlenberg argued that a law decriminalising incest before the Swiss Parliament was a product of the thinking behind same-sex marriage.
“Once we go down the road of legalising same-sex marriage, then the floodgates will open, and any and all forms of sexuality will be fair game for legalisation and promotion,” wrote Muehlenberg,
“Homosexual marriage is simply the thin edge of the wedge.”
When asked how that claim could be made when same-sex marriage was not legal in Switzerland, Muehlenberg said the same arguments for the one could “equally and logically be used for the other.”
Muehlenberg also claimed that an American lesbian author had argued for the legalisation of paedophilia in a 2003 Village Voice article on same-sex marriage, and that an American gay rights conference had called for an end to age of consent laws at its 1972 conference — which showed that paedophilia was part of the agenda too.
However the article on that paper’s website makes no mention of paedophilia, and the Star Observer can find no evidence of the group, the National Coalition of Gay Organisations, existing before or after 1972 or that it was influential as less than one in five organisations that were invited to attend the conference did so.
When asked to name any gay organisation in the world that was campaigning for the removal of age of consent laws today, Muehlenberg said it was not his job to do so and that questions about facts were “red herrings”.
“The point is … the very same arguments your camp is using to legalise same-sex marriage can be used to legalise bestiality, incest, group marriage,” Muehlenberg said.
“Its all about consensual relationships, its all about love — that argument is used by NAMBLA and other groups all the time.”
Family Council of Victoria President, Peter Stokes, who also heads the anti-gay Saltshakers group, said he agreed with Muehlenberg’s logic.
“Moves are being made to normalise sex with animals and arguments are already being made that people should be able to marry a pet,” he said.
As much as these things should be taken seriously, marry your pet????????????????? Whilst many strange people exist in the world, and no doubt there is someone who would want that, I am having a lot of trouble not laughing. What will they complain about next – those that want to marry their car? Their football team? Aliens?
Sorry it is good to fight these people but saying that makes one look very very stupid.
quote;’open the flood gates’..’ thin edge of the wedge’end quote. Yes we see the ancient lexicon uses too often and in this case there are words without logic and poor debate.
No, I think the very use of ‘marriage’ gets out of hand. Let it stand in Law as it is so no Reform is needed at any level.Yes gays are outnumbered however more suitable words can be used to gain what we all want in terms of bound equality.. i.e. via a totally new Draft Bill for White Paper House debate. To be most correct if being pushed; ‘Same Gender Recognised Couple’ takes the angst and confrontation aspect out of it. What do you think?
Govt stats show greater numbers of hetro-marriages split/divorce.Gay’s via taxes pay for the Family Courts + + other agencies associated in this matter. Procreated children left to fend for themselves; victims of hetro-marriage. The greatest moral issue in human child rapenumbers is known to lay at the doors of The Vatican;but the Pope refuses to change Canon Law so Human Justice can be done. Let men marry women is they want it. We gay’s are not telling them what to do.
Honestly and seriously what was this man smoking????
Perhaps maybe Bill Muehlenberg needs to spend some time in the Watagan Forest near the Central Coast with some fresh air in his lungs to clear his head on horrible thoughts and obsessions on bestiality, incest and paedophilia!!!!!
Zing!!!!!
Brad makes a very good point.
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“Homosexual marriage is simply the thin edge of the wedge.”
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It seems to me that heterosexual marriage was the thin edge. If Mr Muehlenberg’s logic made any sense at all, his target should be the abolition of heterosexual marriage. He does not decry straight marriage because he does not understand how to draw a conclusion. So we have a spurious and fallacious logic, and an incompetent debater. Who would give such a person the time of day?
legalisation of group marriage, incest, paedophilia and bestiality?!
we are talking about same-sex marrige, what a eye opening, i have never thought of the things up above before.
he is a idilt.
if it’s necessary with the equality and improvement of the society and human being, why not, even the group marriage or the rest. It’s not against the fundamental stuff of the nation. The nation is not funded on religion.
How ridiculous!
What an idiotic and hysterical reaction, evidenced by his skirting the need to cite actual facts to support his ridiculous claims.
If reported more widely, he’ll do the more damage to his own cause than anything anyone pro-marriage could ever manage.
Conversely, I wonder if the abolition of same-sex marriage will reduce or eliminate incest and paedophilia. Logically it should and so in states of the US such as Alabama or Mississippi (where same-sex marriage is illegal) there should be no incest, paedophila and other social evils wrought by gays getting married.
INBREADING is still rife in Queensland. Joh used to say, as he reached for a stick to knock the loud Roosters off their perch. “Don’t worry, I’ll look after you”. Joh knew they were playing Doctors and Nurses with each other. The Milkman and Postmans knock are extinct now.
Bill must cum to Tin Can Bay and see his own heterosexual culture at work.
Let’s see here: If you allow a man to marry ONE woman, who’s to say he shouldn’t be allowed to marry TWO OR MORE? Heterosexual marriage will most surely lead to polygamy!
If you allow a man to marry a woman, who’s to say he shouldn’t be allowed to marry his MOTHER? Heterosexual marriage will most surely lead to incest!
If you allow a man to marry a womna, who’s to say he shouldn’t be allowed to marry his DOG? Heterosexual marriage will most surely lead to bestiality!
But wait a minute! These are all red herrings! And they REMAIN red herrings with regard to marriage equality for Gay couples. After all the only difference between Gay and Straight couples is the gender of the two people in the relationship … two sides of the same coin, if you will. So there really is not constitutional justification for denying law-abiding, taxpaying Gay couples the exact same legal benefits, protections, and responsibilities that Straight couples have always taken for granted.
A great post Geoffry Meredith!
I get to wake up and be free, gay and happy. It puts a smile on my face knowing mother nature is taking care of the fossils and attitudes in the article mentioned above.
Common sense will prevail and the best remedy for these bullies is to ignore them.
One important fact these morons forget is that most paedophiles and people who abuse children are in fact heterosexual and live in a heterosexual environment, so they need to clean up there own backyard before they show their paranoia and homophobia towards gay people. Where are the statistics that show that gay people are involved in any such behaviour, anywhere at any time? Once again this abuse, sexual or otherwise is perpetrated by heterosexual homes and in a heterosexual environment; there simply isn’t any truth in these articles. It is a real shame that in 2010 that this obvious homophobia is still an attitude they feel comfortable in expressing. A paedophile is a paedophile regardless whether they abuse the same sex or the opposite sex. You’d have to wonder about the motives in making these comments. Just look at the Catholic Church, maybe he should be campaigning to have the Catholic Church shut down due to the thousands of proven cases of child abuse repatriated by Priests and staff of the Church. Now that I would back.
Old honest? Who would ever expect that?
http://unbelief.org/2006/09/13/bill-muehlenberg-and-friends/
Muehlenberg and by association, Stokes are again pushing their snake oil. Such harbingers of hate usually fall back on pseudo-science or outright lies to seemingly validate their slurs.
An alternative view that has credence is that the presence of organised paedophile rings in the form of the organised church has a formidable lobby.
We all know a christian god is an mad scientist conducting evil experiments, the outcome being the likes of Muehlenberg and Stokes, or otherwise killing African children slowly with AIDS.
In Praise of Incest by Bill Muehlenberg
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/muehlenberg/2010/12/in-praise-of-incest
If Bill wants an argument about incest, let him go right ahead and have one. As the one shouting the loudest, he certainly seems enthusiastic about it! But *this debate* is about marriage – the union of two consenting adults not directly related by birth.
Stokes purports to agree with Muehlenberg’s “logic”, but in reality, he is merely saying “me too” to Muehlenberg’s “slippery slope” *logical fallacy*. This sophistry – a basic inability or refusal to tell logic from facile nonsense – is a readily observable side effect of a delusional existence worshipping an unseen, unheard, unknown sky-god and claiming that our every moment and deed must be made to please such a thing.
Tellingly, these gentlemen are notorious bible-thumpers. Their puny attempts to mimick the latest effort of the Catholic Church by pretending that religion is not a massive part of, and reason for, marriage discrimination just won’t wash.
Bill couldn’t stop gay marriage in many parts of his birth country, North America. He won’t stop it here either. And if he has an ingrained problem with the fact that most Australians are more enlightened and easy-going than him, then he can frankly eff off to some Old Testament or sharia law country where his craving for religious control over other people’s lives will fit right in.
Living in a free country like Australian should mean not having to live one’s life according to the religiously motivated whims and dictates of the Bill Muehlenbergs and Peter Stokes’ of the world.
It is unfortunate that comments by the likes of these idiots are taken as fact by so many who oppose same-sex marriage.
One could, of course, readily respond with the claim that permitting Catholicism to be practised will lead to rampant pedophilia (after all, there is significanlty more evidence to suggest that the two are linked than there is for same-sex marriage and bestiality) – but of course we poofs would never stoop so low.
These self-appointed spokes people for minority right-wing groups claiming to “represent all Australians”, spinning lies and misinformation along the way are a dangerous curse on the rest of society.
Makes me see more and more how many idiots there are in the world and wonder how they get to be in these positions.
If you want to use the slippery slope argument you can say that marriage between and man and a woman will automatically lead to adults marrying children or brothers marrying sisters.
If the above argument doesn’t sound logical to you then how is Bill Muehlenberg and Peter Stokes’ argument any more rational?
Yet another reason why we ALL need to contact our local MP’s and discuss our case from our hearts, from love, not from a place of fear ignorance or hate.